Bava Kamma 25

Chapter 25

א לישני הא רבי יוסי הגלילי הא רבנן
1 why [did Rabina] not reply that the one<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Maintaining that a firstling is the private property of the priest. ');"><sup>1</sup></span>
ב (אמר ליה) מתנות כהונה קאמרת שאני מתנות כהונה דכי קא זכו משלחן גבוה קא זכו
2 is in accordance with R. Jose the Galilean, and the other<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the statement of R. Nahman that a firstling is not the private property of the priest. ');"><sup>2</sup></span>
ג גופא (ויקרא ה, כא) ומעלה מעל בה' לרבות קדשים קלים שהם ממונו דברי רבי יוסי הגלילי בן עזאי אומר לרבות את השלמים אבא יוסי בן דוסתאי אומר לא אמר בן עזאי אלא בבכור בלבד
3 in accordance with the Rabbis?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The opponents of R. Jose the Galilean. ');"><sup>3</sup></span>
ד אמר מר בן עזאי אומר לרבות את השלמים למעוטי מאי
4 — It was said in answer: How can you refer to priestly gifts? Priestly gifts are altogether different<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Even R. Jose regards them in no case as the property of the priest; all the Rabbis including R. Jose are thus unanimous on this matter. Hence Rabina was unable to explain the one Baraitha in accordance with R. Jose and the other in accordance with the Rabbis. ');"><sup>4</sup></span>
ה אילימא למעוטי בכור השתא ומה שלמים שטעונים סמיכה ונסכים ותנופת חזה ושוק אמרת ממון בעלים הוא בכור מבעיא
5 as those who are entitled to them enjoy that privilege as guests at the divine table.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Even while the firstling is still alive. ');"><sup>5</sup></span>
ו אלא אמר רבי יוחנן למעוטי מעשר
6 [To refer to] the main text: <i>If a soul sin and commit a trespass against the Lord and lie unto his neighbour</i>:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. V, 21. ');"><sup>6</sup></span>
ז כדתניא בבכור נאמר (במדבר יח, יז) לא תפדה ונמכר תם חי ובעל מום חי ושחוט במעשר נאמר (ויקרא כז, כ) לא יגאל ואינו נמכר לא חי ולא שחוט לא תם ולא בעל מום
7 this indicates also minor sacrifices; this is the view of R. Jose the Galilean. Ben 'Azzai says that it indicates [also] peace-offerings. Abba Jose b. Dostai said that Ben 'Azzai meant to include only the firstling.
ח רבינא מתני לה אסיפא אבא יוסי בן דוסתאי אומר לא אמר בן עזאי אלא בבכור בלבד למעוטי מאי
8 The Master said:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. V, 21. ');"><sup>6</sup></span>
ט אילימא למעוטי שלמים השתא ומה בכור שקדוש מרחם ממונו הוא שלמים מבעיא
9 'Ben Azzai says that it indicates [also] peace-offerings.' What does he mean to exclude? It can hardly be the firstling, for if in the case of peace-offerings which are subject to the laws of leaning,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ibid. III, 2. ');"><sup>7</sup></span>
י אמר רבי יוחנן למעוטי מעשר
10 libations<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Num. XV, 8-II. ');"><sup>8</sup></span>
יא כדתניא בבכור נאמר לא תפדה ונמכר תם חי ובעל מום חי ושחוט במעשר נאמר לא יגאל ואינו נמכר לא חי ולא שחוט לא תם ולא בעל מום
11 and the waving of the breast and shoulder,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. VII, 30-34. ');"><sup>9</sup></span>
יב הא בבכור בלבד קאמר קשיא
12 you maintain that they are private property, what question could there be about the firstling?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The sacredness of which is of a lower degree and is not subject to all these rites. Consequently it should thus certainly be considered private property. It, of course, deals with a firstling outside Palestine which is not destined to he sacrificed. ');"><sup>10</sup></span>
יג רבא אמר מאי נכסים שאין בהן מעילה נכסים שאין בהן דין מעילה ומאי נינהו דהדיוט
13 — R. Johanan therefore said: He meant to exclude the tithe,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Of cattle dealt with in Lev. XXVII, 32-33. ');"><sup>11</sup></span>
יד וליתני דהדיוט קשיא
14 as taught: In the case of the firstling, it is stated, Thou shalt not redeem;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Num. XVIII, 17, the text is taken not to include alienation, in which case the sanctity of the firstling is not affected. ');"><sup>12</sup></span>
טו אמר רבי אבא שלמים שהזיקו גובה מבשרן ואינו גובה מאימוריהן
15 it may, however, if unblemished be sold while alive, and if blemished [it may be sold] alive or slaughtered; in the case of the tithe it is stated, It shall not be redeemed,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev XXVII, 33; in this case, on account of Gezerah Shawah. i.e. a similarity of phrases between ibid. and verse 28, the right of alienation is included; cf, Bek. 32a. ');"><sup>13</sup></span>
טז פשיטא אימורין לגבוה סלקי
16 and it can be sold neither alive nor slaughtered neither when unblemished nor when blemished.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Tem. 8a. Because it is not private property. ');"><sup>14</sup></span>
יז לא צריכא לגובה מבשרן כנגד אימורים
17 Rabina connected all the above discussion with the concluding clause: 'Abba Jose b. Dostai said that Ben 'Azzai meant to include only the firstling.' What does he mean to exclude? It can hardly be peace-offerings, for if the firstling which is holy from the very moment it opens the matrix,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Ex. XIII, 12. ');"><sup>15</sup></span>
יח אליבא דמאן
18 is private property, what question could there be about peace-offerings?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' That they should certainly be private property. ');"><sup>16</sup></span>
יט אי אליבא דרבנן פשיטא הא אמרי כי ליכא לאשתלומי מהאי לא משתלמא מהאי
19 — R. Johanan therefore said: He meant to exclude the tithe, as taught:<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Tem. 8a. ');"><sup>17</sup></span>
כ ואי אליבא דרבי נתן הא אמר כי ליכא לאשתלומי מהאי משתלם מהאי
20 In regard to the firstling it is stated, Thou shalt not redeem;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Num. XVIII, 17. ');"><sup>18</sup></span>
כא אי בעית אימא רבי נתן איבעית אימא רבנן
21 it may, however, if unblemished be sold while alive and if blemished [it may be sold] alive or slaughtered; in regard to the tithe it is stated, It shall not be redeemed,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Lev. XXVII, 33. ');"><sup>19</sup></span>
כב איבעית אימא רבנן ה"מ בתרי גופי אבל בחד גופא מצי אמר ליה מכל היכא דבעינן משתלמנא
22 and it can be sold neither while alive nor when slaughtered, neither when unblemished nor blemished. But does he not say, 'The firstling alone'?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Excluding thus everything else, even peace-offerings. ');"><sup>20</sup></span>
כג איבעית אימא רבי נתן התם הוא דאמר ליה בעל שור לבעל הבור אנא תוראי בבירך אשכחתיה מאי דלית לי לאשתלומי מהיאך משתלימנא מינך
23 This is a difficulty indeed! Raba [on the other hand] said: What is meant by 'THE [DAMAGED] PROPERTY MUST BE OF A KIND TO WHICH THE LAW OF SACRILEGE HAS NO APPLICATION' is that the property is not of a class to which the law of sacrilege may have any reference<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e. is not holy at all. ');"><sup>21</sup></span> but is such as is owned privately. But why does not the text say. 'Private property'? — This is a difficulty indeed! R. Abba said: In the case of peace-offerings that did damage,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' While still Tam, when the payment must be made out of the body of the doer of the damage, v. infra p. 73. ');"><sup>22</sup></span> payment will be made<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' According to R. Jose the Galilean who maintains, supra p. 50, that minor sacrifices are considered private property. ');"><sup>23</sup></span> out of their flesh but no payment could be made out of their emurim.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The part which has to he burnt on the altar; cf. Lev. III, 3-4. ');"><sup>24</sup></span> Is it not obvious that the emurim will go up [and be burnt] on the altar? — No; we require to be told that no payment will be made out of the flesh for the proportion due from the emurim. But according to whose authority is this ruling made? If according to the Rabbis,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Infra 53a. where in the case of an ox pushing somebody else's animal into a pit, the owner of the pit pays nothing, though the owner of the ox does not pay full damages. ');"><sup>25</sup></span> is this not obvious? Do they not maintain that when payment cannot be recovered from one party, it is not requisite to make it up from the other party? If according to R. Nathan,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Who makes the owner of the pit also pay. ');"><sup>26</sup></span> [it is certainly otherwise] for did he not say that when no payment can be made from one party, it has to be made up from the other party? — If you wish, you may say: The ruling was made in accordance with R. Nathan; or, if you wish, you may say that it was made in accordance with the Rabbis. You may say that it was made in accordance with the Rabbis, for their ruling is confined to a case where the damage was done by two separate agencies,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the ox and the pit, v. p. 53. n. 12. ');"><sup>27</sup></span> whereas, in the case of one agency,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Such as in the case of peace-offerings dealt with by R. Abba. ');"><sup>28</sup></span> the plaintiff may be justified in demanding payment from whatever source he finds it convenient. Alternatively you may say that the ruling was made in accordance with R. Nathan, for it is only there [in the case of an ox pushing another's ox in a pit] that the owner of the damaged ox is entitled to say to the owner of the pit, 'I have found my ox in your pit; whatever is not paid to me by your co-defendant must be made up by you;'